Circa-style "Douceur de l'écriture" Clarefontaine notebooks

Yesterday at my university bookstore, I came across a couple of (new to me) Clairefontaine notebooks bound by disks! The last two, so I snatched them on the spot. 72 beautifully soft grid sheets of paper, 16.5x21 cm, in between slightly corrugated poly, yellow and red respectivaly. The white disks are a bigger than the Rolla small and ever so smaller than the Rolla medium. And completely compatible with the Rolla/Circa system. Pics here.

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"Softness of the writing"

That what babelfish says.
Nice.
What did they cost ?
Next time you go by there, might you ask for supplier information ?
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The label sticker in the

The label sticker in the back says: "Papier velouté Clairefontaine 90 g/m2 Douceur de l'écriture Made in France by Clairefontaine 165X210 144 pages/72 sheets" Bar code #3 329683 287063. They were 9.95$ Canadian each. They have lots of Clairefontaine products at the bookstore, but it looked like they were phasing them all out.

"It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy." -- Steve Jobs

I looked in Clairefontaine's online catalog...

...and the magic word is "Clairing"

And the come in at least 3 sizes !!
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i suck...

Help a girl out... with a link? ;P

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Clairing is no more...

I think the Clairing range is discontinued... :(

American distributor

Picture

Kinda douudt that...

'cause the products are featured in the 2007 Clarefontaine catalog I linked to.
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Sorry my mistake... :(

Sorry Ygor my mistake. I was looking in my 2006 catalogue and written at the bottom of the page underneath the Matris: Discontinued items delivered until depletion of stock. Which I wrongly assumed meant the Clairing system. :S

<Inappropriate response suppressed>

The one that comes to mind is both rude and sexist and I do not know you anywhere near well enough to use THAT line on you.

Anyway...
http://www.clairefontaine.com/Catalogue2007/
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LOL

Imma dorK ... I found the "english translation" button. >.<

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Where?

I clicked a link and got the catalogue en Francais.
But can't find an Anglais button.
Are we on the same page?

french catalog

I found the translate button on the front of their website... only found the catalog in french...

however, if you zoom into the french catalog ... there are some english subtitles. (there was english for every item I clicked on to zoom but I didn't check the entire catalog... YET muwahahhahaha)

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Clarefontaine distributors

I found a list of agencies that distribute Clarefontaine.

The list is on another site
http://www.papiers-clairefontaine.com/EN/Agents/Our-agencies...

US Clarefontaine distributor -- not totally clear

OK, the page says that Programmix, LLC, is the US distributor.

Google says Scott Barnard is currently the owner and Managing Partner of Programmix, LLC, a sales and marketing firm based in Norwalk, CT.

It also says he was elected to the Board of Directors of Nashua Corporation (NYSE: NSH), a premier manufacturer and marketer of labels, thermal specialty papers and imaging products.

So do we contact Programmix or Nashua Paper or ....?

Googling on "Programmix Clarefontaine" or "Nashua Clarefontaine" turns up nothing.
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oooooo

Drooling begins...

Please let us know if you find out any information on how we can get thes in the US :D

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Will do

I'll see if I can find anything out.

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Clairefontaine.com

The Clairefontaine website has this form in which you can ask where to find their products. HERE

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[edited 30Mar07 by Sara: Linkified]

eek

I'm pretty good with interpreting other languages since I recieved a basic education in Spanish and very little in French. I sure hope they don't laugh at the information I plugged into that form. heheh.

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Found some !!

I e-mailed Exaclair as they seem to be the big US distributor for Clarefontaine

I was told two things:
"I can special order them for you from Clairefontaine. Which reference would you like? There would be a case minimum."

and then...
"We seem to have some ref. 8135 in stock in our warehouse at the moment. 8 1/4 x 11 3/4, lined, 72 sheets. Your cost would be $ 6 ea, minimum 5 books."

These are at the bottom of page 15 of that catalog.

Any takers ? I'd be happy to buy them and redistribute them as long as you folks pay the shipping.

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There you go

A good man, ygor is.

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Oh, wow, Clairefontaine in

Oh, wow, Clairefontaine in Circa format! Two faves in one. Talk about Productivity Heaven. :D

Ygor, I sent off an email to Pendemonium about this before I saw your offer. If they can't get the paper for me, then for sure I'll order through you. I tend to buy most of my Clairefontaine paper through Pendemonium, so I'm hoping I can get this format in ruled.

What a wonderful discovery! Thanks, T.

It was a pleasure

Though I am sure I squeeled whe I saw them on the shelf there. The students around me were wondering how a prof could actually squeel I'm sure.

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ooOooo

Since I missed out on the Rolla notebooks at Staples... I will not pass up this opportunity. plus, Ive heard such great things about that paper~!

what colors do the covers come in?

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RTFC...;)

Read The Fantastic/French Catalog

It has pictures. What's your preference ? I can ask.
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:)

I won't discriminate based on the color choices they have... all would be lovely.

You said there were 3 sizes available? what are the other sizes? im just really curious... as usual ;P

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It's a go.

It's a go, Ygor. I heard back from Pendemonium and they said that they had carried them but that Clairefontaine had discontinued them four or five years ago. :( So, looks like you're The Source.

Thanks for doing this! Just let me know the next step.

OK, anyone that wants one (or more), please contact me

Contact me through e-mail, please. For those of you that do not know how, click on my name -- the one next to "Submitted by".
Then, on the page you get, select the tab "Contact".

I'll give it until Friday and then roll together an order. Sooner if I get enough response.
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Pendemonium and Clairefontaine Claring

The sales person at Exaclair, Christine Nusse, just told me that Pendemonium has agreed to carry Clairefontaine Claring notebooks.

Exactly which size and for what price, I do not know (yet), but I do know that the price we are getting in the group buy is a wholesale price !!
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notebooks available in the US

Clarefountaine disc bound notebooks have been available in the US, I bought a couple of disc bound notebooks in the San Jose, California area a couple of years ago. I don't remember which shop though.

The paper in my notebooks is lovely and works with fountain pens. I find the lines to be wide, but I like narrow rule. I have a mini notebook (around 3x5 inches) and a A4 notebook.

Clairefontaine notebooks

Ygor,
I am interested but I'm confused about what sizes are available. Sara seems to be under the impression that there are 3 sizes.

But per one of your posts the distributor says "We seem to have some ref. 8135 in stock in our warehouse at the moment. 8 1/4 x 11 3/4, lined, 72 sheets. Your cost would be $ 6 ea, minimum 5 books."

This looks like a pretty affordable alternative to the largest Circa translucent notebook. (4 at $72.00 = $18.00 each)

I think I could use this size if it is compatible with 8 1/2 x 11 paper, since I would be like to be able to re-use them. So my question is whether their measurment refers to the cover or the pages. If it refers to the paper then the covers might be wide enough to take an 8 1/2 x 11 refill.

Of course if they had a standard sized Junior (half of 8 1/2 x 11) that would be even better.
Thanks,
~Cath

Shipping

Ooops, forgot to ask if you have a guesstimate on shipping within the US for 2 or 3 notebooks.
~Cath

?? Shipping ?? I need to ship them ??

I thought you could drop by my house and have a bheer or glass of whine and sit and chat for a while.

I wish !!

Seriously, my plan was to include the shipping costs in the final cost to you. I will ask about the cost to ship them to me.
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My spin is...

that they can order any of the notebooks from the Clarefountaine catalog, but they have ON HAND a quantity of the letter size ones.

That's what I'm shooting for at the moment.

Longer-range goal would be to generate enough interest in them (the disc-bound notebooke) to get Exaclair to stock them.
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Compatability with United States letter size (8 1/2 x 11) ???

Does anyone here know whether Clairing is compatible with United States standard letter size? I can see that the given dimensions are 8 1/4 x 11 3/4, which would simultaneously be too narrow and too long, unless the dimensions refer to the paper and the cover is wider in which case it might be just right for width and a little bit too long. I don't mind if the cover is too big lengthwise but it needs to be wide enough for me to re-use the covers with standard US paper.

Or should I really be asking how far apart the rings/smurfs are? I now have a Rolla punch but that doesn't do me any good if the spacing is off.

I'd still be interested if only to give the paper a try but I probably wouldn't get as much, which wouldn't be a bad thing since I tend to get carried away.
Thanks,
~Cath

My bad -- it is A5, not letter.

However, I share your curiosity to try out this reportedly fantastic paper.
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im so confused

Are they A5 - 5 7/8 x 8 1/4 inches
or
A4 - 8 1/4 x 11 3/4 inches ?

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My bad again !! They are A4 -- European "letter"

I am so brain-dead today :O
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2 Clairing sizes??: 210 x 297 and 165 x 210

I don't know if it matters to anyone except me but I reviewed the Clairefontaine catalogue to try and figure out what they have for page sizes and I could only find 4 Clairing items. See pages: 11 (bottom), 15 (bottom), 34 (bottom), and 34 (bottom).

I think the sizes are noted in millimeters: 210 x 297 (21.00 cm x 29.70 cm or 8.25" x 11.75") and 165 x 210 (16.50 cm x 21.00 cm or 6.49 " x 8.25 ". As best I can tell there is no standard "letter" size (8.5 " x 11 ") or "Junior" size (4.25" x 5.5 ").

Initially I thought there were 3 or 4 sizes because of the word "Seyes" in the heading. But the French word for "size" is Taille; so I think "Seyes" is meant to describe a style. It would help if I could figure out what "5/5", "5/5 + M", and "L8 + M" mean. "Seyes" might be a font style; does anyone here know if "5/5", "5/5 + M", and "L8 + M" might be font sizes?

A4
210 x 297 (21.00 cm x 29.70 cm) and
( 8.25 " x 11.75 ")

A5?
165 x 210 (16.50 cm x 21.00 cm)
( 6.49 " x 8.25 ")

~Cath

Tournevis??

You folks need a French interpreter. Can you help, Tournevis?

Reese

Clarification on Clairing items

Correction: there are 3 Clairing "Cahiers" or notebooks and two other miscellaneous items (some sort of album and a water color book). The notebooks are on pages 11, 15, and 34 and seem to be in the sizes I described earlier.

Also, I called Exaclair and the person I spoke with says they haven't actively carried these for 5 years. She seemed surprised to hear that they are in the current Clairefontaine catalogue. She is going to "look into it" and get back to me.

That would probably explain the "discontinued" notation that someone here commented on.

She did explain that "L8 + M" refers to margin spacing.
~Cath

Who did you talk to at Exaclair ?

I have been trading e-mails with a Christine Nusse

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Grand Carreaux...

Hi Cath

In answer to your question; seyes is a type of ruling designed to help children improve their handwriting. (Adults use it too ;) )

Imagine small rectangular cells with wide margins either side. Rather like squared paper only with rectangles. Does this help?

Look in the catalog...

Page 291

I had the same question, but found it.

That must be someone's name 'cause the BabelFIsh did not translate it into anything other than itself.
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M Seyes...

As in the France stationer who first promoted it. :)

BabelFish is no substitute for a French ex and step-daughter. ;)

Seyes

Sardonios,
Yes, that does help but I'd have trouble explaining why, except to say it helps solidify my understanding of the page sizing.
Thanks,
~Cath

French-ruled

In the US, this ruling (Seyes) is called "French-ruled" so that's what you'd look for/ask for if you're buying Clairefontaine paper in the US (not just the Circa-esque stuff we're talking about here). Some folks like it as a sort of hybrid between regular ruled and gridded.

(I can't get a direct URL, but if you go to www.pendemonium.com and click on 'stationery' in the left column, then click on Clairefontaine in the link table at the top of the page, then scroll down a bit, you'll see samples of the different kinds of rulings offered by Clairefontaine, including French ruled. For those not familiar with this brand, the rulings are indeed in a light violet color.)

HTH :)

Sorry

I was on a plane to Boston. So far as I can see, there are A4, A5 and A7 size Clairing notebooks.

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In the catalog ?

I have A5 on page 11, A4 on page 15, A4 and A5 on page 34, and some sort of photo albums on pages 110 and 146.

I do not see A7 Clairings anywhere. But then again, it has been a while since my eyeglass prescription was updated ;)
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A7 et al...

Hi Ygor

The papier vélin velouté Clairing 90 gsm was/is available in A4 and A5. The other two sizes contained art paper (200 gsm?) and inkjet photo paper respectively. The latter was meant as a DIY photo album.

Next time I am in France looking at stationary I will think of my American D*I*Y friends... ;)

decifering the catalog notation

It would help if I could figure out what "5/5", "5/5 + M", and "L8 + M" mean. "Seyes" might be a font style; does anyone here know if "5/5", "5/5 + M", and "L8 + M" might be font sizes?

For those who didn't make it over to pendemonium to check out the exemplars:

5/5 = grid/graph/squared style 5mm x 5mm (for reference: same as moleskine squared)

L8 = lined 8mm spacing (similar to 'college ruled' - moleskine has narrower 6mm spacing) (also just L in the catalog depending on the product)

+M = vertical left margin - all the Clairefontaine +M products I've used set the margin a hefty 1.6 inches from the left edge, regardless of format (i.e. A4, A5 etc. but I haven't used Claring)

Another one you'll see in the catalog is O.

O = blank (no lines)

Seyes has been pretty well described by others, but here is a take consistent with the above: basically L8+M, with an 8mm grid to the right of the margin and 3 additional slightly fainter horizontal lines 2mm apart between each standard 8 mm horizontal rule. Fun stuff.

Perhaps a little heavy on the specifics, but I once spent a fair bit of time in search of the perfect notebook, making countless comparisons of minor details: maybe this will save someone else some time.

Ryan.

Look in the catalog...

Page 291

I had the same question, but found it.

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Group buy - moving thread over to the Bazaar

I have enough initial response to go ahead.
Details will follow over here --> http://www.diyplanner.com/node/2543
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I contacted Pendemonium

Hi Sara,

I just received an update from Clairefontaine on the Clairing. They
have discontinued all Clairing. Their computer is showing they have
one
Clairing item in stock, the #8135, BUT they have requested a physical
check in the warehouse. As soon as that is completed, I'll let you
know
if the 8135 is still available or not.

Best regards, Sam
http://www.pendemonium.com

I was hoping he could find some hidden goodies but alas they are discontinued. Many more thanks to Ygor for getting us the opportunity to jump on em before they disappear into the fog of history :)

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Why, then, is it in the catalog ?

I'm confoooooooozd :(
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to torment

They may be coming out with new products since Carl bought Rollabind... and they want to keep the items in peoples minds...

or maybe they just want to torment us with pictures of what could have been :* (

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new message from Pendemonium

Hi Sara,

After several conversations with Exaclair, I have some info for you.
Exaclair is the US Distributor for Clairefontaine. Even though the
French 2007 catalogue you viewed online shows some Clairing items, they
are not imported to the US for distribution.

However!! Exaclair has one discontinued Clairing item in their
warehouse here in the US:

Item Number C8135
144 pages/72 sheets
210x297mm / 8.25 x 11.75 inches
horizontal ruled

They are regularly priced $8, but since they are discontinued in the
US,
we are able to offer them for $6 each. I have ordered 100 of the C8135
and they will be here in about 7-10 days. If you would like us to
email
you when they arrive, we are happy to do so. Just let us know.

Thanks again for your interest!

Best regards, Sam
http://www.pendemonium.com

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Further detail:

Even though the
French 2007 catalogue you viewed online shows some Clairing items, they
are not imported to the US for distribution
except by special order of a minimum amount that can vary by product from as little as 5 to goodness-knows-how-many

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:)

So order from Pendemonium not Ygor... right?

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You betcha

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Fantastic news! Huge thanks

Fantastic news! Huge thanks to Ygor and Sara.

I'm going to order some as soon as possible.

I've been ordering from Pendemonium for years and have always found their service to be top notch. (Just FYI: Sam at Pendemonium is a 'she'. :D )

Circa vs Clairing

I've just added a pic comparaing the Circa stardard disk and the Clairing HERE.

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