Wanted - Filofax or Lefax Duplex

Back in the 1950s through to the 1970s Filofax (in the UK) and Lefax (in the US) produced
what they called their "duplex" models. They had two sets of rings and were designed for
the specialist markets of clergymen, military officers, medical practitioners and engineers.
I would like to buy a duplex if anyone has one on offer. Any condition.
Keith

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Like this... ?

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Is the space between rings enough for pages on both to lay flat without overlap ?
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ygor's invisible messages

ygor: your message didn't show up this morning when I posted mine. Odd.

Any guesses as to how long it will be before we see a Duplex Circa notebook show up somewhere? DIY or otherwise.

-Kenny

I got delayed due to the link

I was suspected of SPAM :O

Anyway, I still want to know if the idea is to have both sets of pages laying flat without overlap. That would make a notebook that is half-again as wide. So a hipster size would be 9 inches wide when opened up as opposed to 6 inches.

Is that what you perceive ?
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"I think the surest sign that there is intelligent life out there in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (Calvin and Hobbes/Bill Waterson)

So not just me.

My paranoia was showing earlier today when I posted my "Some but not others" topic.

I was suspected of SPAM :O

Seems to hit at random. I wondered if my suspicious post contained too many URLs pointing at other sites. But then I remembered yesterday I posted one in which I deliberately used different hosts (I think there were five) whereas today's trapped post only had one (and that was a pointer to FiloFAX's contact page).

Essential photo

of the inside with paper in there...
LINK

That doesn't look like I was expecting...

Any guesses as to how long it will be before we see a Duplex Circa notebook show up somewhere? DIY or otherwise.

Your wish is my command!

I'm, at this moment, being grateful that the Circa Junior size is a bit smaller than Classic and A5. I don't know if I could have made this work like I did, had their paper been full-sized. :-)

It is just an experiment, of course--or a proof of concept, but, hey, if somebody can do something worthwhile with it, or improve upon it, then it was worth it. :-)

Here's the Flickr LINK

-Jon

Interesting. HEY KEITH !!

You are the guy that started this. We need some more info about this style and how it is used.
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Filofax and Lefax duplex binders

Sorry for disappearing from this thread. I'm on the other side of the world and was asleep while you were having this exchange.

Thanks for the link to the Japanese site which has a picture of a duplex model. Odd that they are the only ones selling this product on the net and yet the binder is made in the UK.

The duplex in the picture has the rings so close that the pages overlap and that is OK for some people as it gives you three pages open when you are working. The old versions (like Lefax's 'Charterhouse' model) had the rings two page widths apart - imagine sewing two standard binders together. When the folder was laid flat it was therefore four page-widths wide PLUS another 1 1/2 pages wide for the wrap-around flap.

hrrmmmm

I was initially visualizing a 3-page-wide layout like the photo that Jon posted. I personally would not want the pages to overlap only partly...that would annoy me greatly. *G* But I really can think of MANY uses for both a 3-wide and a 4-wide notebook like this. This concept alone might be enough to push me from a 3-ring binder to a Circa or Rollabind system. Right-side section containing sections for individual clients/projects, and the left-side section containing my scheduling pages for day/week/to-do. I could open up the client side to whatever project I was working on at the moment, and then turn the left side over top (into the middle) with my task lists. It would greatly reduce if not eliminate my need for removable pages.

My problem still lies in the fact that I'm tied to letter-sized systems, and the need to be able to tuck files from clients (sometimes entire manilla folders) safely into the pockets of my binder. I'm not sure I'm up to custom making a letter sized binder that measures out larger than letter, with pockets built into the binder that would hold letter-sized documents. And closes securely enough that I don't fear things falling out any side no matter how much it gets tossed around (my binders all zip up for precisely that reason). I'm often caught juggling purse and binder and bags or packages, and often one or more 200 lb dog on leashes, all at the same time.

Thinking on it, however...I wonder...

I have a binder currently that is serving quite sell. Maybe a combination 3-ring/circa system could accomplish this. Picture a typical faux-leather, zip-around 3-ring binder, opened up. Flip all the ring-bound pages over to the left side, and I am looking at a typical slide-in notepad. Maybe I can make an insert. Two pieces. Left piece to be approximately 10 x 11.5 inches, and firm enough to support being a writing surface. Punch the left side edge with a 3-hole punch. Punch the right side to hold circa rings. Then do a right-side piece with the same material, same height, but not as wide. Punch the left side of this second piece for circa. Basically creating a portable circa system where the front cover is wider than the back cover, and punching the outside margin of the front cover to be inserted into the 3-ring binder. It can be opened up for use, but still folded up and fit fully inside the 3-ring zip-around binder.

Jeniffer

That sounds good...

Basically creating a portable circa system where the front cover is wider than the back cover, and punching the outside margin of the front cover to be inserted into the 3-ring binder. It can be opened up for use, but still folded up and fit fully inside the 3-ring zip-around binder.

The only thing to think about is ring and disk size, and the combined thickness of the papers. Essentially, I think that you would have to think about putting have as many pages in each binder as you would normally, because of the overlap. And then, there's the extra thickness (width) of the rings on the right-hand size. If you have a very large binder, this should work. Sounds interesting. Do you already have some Rollabind/Circa stuff to experiment with?

-Jon

No, not yet...

My binder would easily be able to handle this with one of the two smaller sized circa/rollabind rings. The 3-ring binder has rings between 1 and 1.5 inches in diameter. The overall size of the binder, closed and zipped, is just under 12 inches wide, just over 13.5 inches tall, and just under 2 inches thick (all this including the thickness of the binder cover itself). I have less than an inch thick stack of papers in it now, and it closes quite easily. Some of these would be pages moved to the circa insert, some would not. I wouldn't be able to cram it too full, but there's easily enough room to the right of the 3-ring-bound pages, between the page edges and the zipper closure, to make room for circa rings. So long as my circa covers aren't too thick, this should work just fine. I just need to figure out the best thing to use. Thick enough to serve as a good surface for writing on, so that I can remove the entire circa insert if I need to, for note taking or something. One of the thick plastic covers would work, but I have to find something wide enough to make room for the 3-ring punches, and still make sure it hangs out far enough that the circa rings clear the edges of the 3-ring-bound pages.

Of course, there isn't a Levenger anywhere near me (I'm in Dallas). Probably just as well. *G* I could get in a lot of trouble there. I've resisted the urge to try out the circa/rollabind systems because I know it would be far too much work to create a full system that would serve my purposes the way the 3-ring binder does. But this would answer a couple of issues I've been pondering lately, plus gives me a valid excuse to try the system. The only real issue is that I would definitely need to buy a punch, because all the pages I use are custom things or downloaded forms, not anything I can buy pre-punched. I've been into a couple of Staples lately, but haven't seen the Rollabind stuff in any of them. Either they weren't carrying it, or I didn't look in the right places.

Jeniffer

3-ring vs. Rollabind...

I've resisted the urge to try out the circa/rollabind systems because I know it would be far too much work to create a full system that would serve my purposes the way the 3-ring binder does.

I have to be honest. I used 3-ring binders for years in my planners (and 7-ring Daytimer™ for a few years also), and in the short time I've been using the Rolla system, I would _never_ go back! Last year, while traveling with a 3-ring system, I got so frustrated with a rather full binder, and moving pages. It became a nightmare, pulling out half my binder every time I needed to move one page. And I really need to move pages a lot, if only for my own brain's sake. ;-)

Now, if you need to be punching paper in the field, and have one of those portable punches that fit in your binder, then you are ahead of the game over Rollabind, but otherwise, Give me Rollabind/Circa or give me Palm™ (or even better, Newton!).

That said, your compromise might be a perfect plan--left 3 ring, and right, Circa/Rollabind. No need to give up 3-ring, and a way to jump into the Rolla waters. :-)

I did a quick experiment this morning with what little US Letter paper I have, and it would seem that, if your 3-ring-bound side doesn't have tabs, that you would only need a 9 1/4" wide cover for your Rollabind, or 9 1/2" if your notebook has tabs. I used 3/4" disks in a notebook with 3/4" rings, and it seemed to do fine (practically devoid of paper, though). As to writing on the covers outside of the big binder, remember that you can fold back the Rollabind cover to the back, and take advantage of both covers for stiffness. In any case, it looks like a workable option if you can find stiff plastic 9 1/2" x 11" for the bottom cover.

I'm betting that the only complication would be the hole-punch for Rolla. There are, however, craft stores online that sell the Rolla-brand punches for less. I would opt for the desktop punch if you can only get one.

-Jon

I don't mind 3-ring

For starters, I already have everything I need, except for the occasional special feature item that I have to get creative about, like this. *G* (I did find a pretty nifty solution to the need to move around pages frequently the other day, that I still need to get photos posted of.) Don't get me wrong...the lure of the Circa/Rollabind systems is strong. Heck, I'm so very fond of playing with this sort of thing, that I'm even tempted to do up hPDA stuff, and I literally have NO use for such a thing. Not one! (And believe me, I've tried to come up with a valid excuse, and I just can't.) The need for pockets in the binder cover large enough to hold standard file folders, and the need zip the whole thing closed to keep stuff from flying out when the binder sails across my driveway will likely keep me pretty firmly in 3-ring territory until I have enough free time and money to fully explore putting together my own circa binders. (I have a couple of marvelous ideas about the layout of pockets and features in a binder that I think would be fun to put together myself, but I simply don't have time to get into a whole new thing like that now. *G*) Also, for client meetings and such, I need to make sure that whatever system I'm hauling around A) looks nice and professional and B) will hold whatever the client hands me until I can get home and get it processed either into the binder or into the filing system in the desk.

But again, the ability to combine 3-ring and circa together...now that's opened up a couple of options that I find very appealing. It would still let me utilize store-bought 3-ring insertable items like the slash pockets I'm using to hold project/job sheets, business card holders, and the nice sturdy thick plastic index dividers I've already got. And still provides me with the chance to play with Circa.

I took the tape measure to the inside pages of my system. I have not only tabbed dividers that stick out, but also some slash pockets. The pockets, annoyingly, stick out farther than my tabs to. (I really do find this extremely annoying, and am trying to decide on a better method for inserting job sheets into my system.) It looks like my tabbed dividers, including tab, are 9 1/8 inch wide. My slash pockets are 9 1/4 inch wide. So if used something about 9 3/4 inch wide for that "front cover" of the circa insert, that should give me plenty enough room for punching both sides, and still having the overlaps about right. And if I measure from the inside edge of a page in the binder to the outside edge of the binder, it's 11 1/2 inches, so there's plenty of room here for a wider page plus disks.

So it looks like I need to start looking for a punch. And order disks. And figure out what to use for cover stock that's going to be sturdy but not too thick. (Something plastic is best. Anything that might come out of the binder more than once or twice ever is probably eventually going to get wet, at least in my home. So plastic is best. *G*)

Of course, once I have the punch, well, then it's really only a matter of time before I find something else to make. I'm really bad that way. ;-)

Jeniffer

Trust me...

Once you start down the Rolla/circa path, you will seek every excuse to dump your 3-ring, and find every method to get away from it. It is your dessstiny. It is inevitable. (can I combine quotes from two movies like that?)

;-D

-Jon

Oh, I know that...

I'm well aware of my own personality traits and weaknesses. Anything having to do with paper is tempting. Anything having to do with creating my own objects involving paper is even worse. And I made the tragic mistake last week of stopping by Michael's and browsing through the scrapbooking aisles in search for a couple of solutions for other problems with my binder. I didn't find the solutions I was seeking, but I did get a whole mess of ideas that immediately brought to mind the circa/rolla systems. The scrapbooking stuff is frustrating because most of it is quite geared towards the "oh how precious" effect. I have discovered many great ideas, but which have been implemented in a sappy manner. It feels like a challenge to do something beautiful and classy with all this stuff. ;-)

I'm also toying with the idea of making some books this way. We've been looking at "self publishing" solutions for a book to be used as a fund raiser, but the two best options (LuLu and CafePress) don't quite do what I want. (No color pictures, or I don't like the binding, or something.) But something hand-done with a circa/rolla system...not only could I print it however the heck I wanted to, but we would have many more options for doing a creative cover. Instead of some cheapo paperback we could create something worthy of a coffee table.

Yeah, it was pretty much just a matter of time before I found a valid excuse to dive into this very deep pool. ;-)

Jeniffer

Wraparound cover lovin'

Being able to fold the outer cover around 360 degrees is a huge boon for me, though. Having an open 3-ring binder on my desk uses up valuable real estate where I could be piling up my junk. Folding the unused pages and cover around to the back makes the entire thing more reasonable to use, and much more lap-friendly to boot.

Amazing!

This morning, I noticed one of my daughter's little notebooks lying on a shelf, so I picked it up out of curiosity, and lo and behold, if it wasn't a duplex! No, make that a triplex! It folds open, revealing two spiral-bound pads, one with a weekly agenda, and one with a name and address book, and one notepad! I took pics, and put them up on Flickr, because the way it goes together is quite neat! You can check out the pics from this LINK

Please ignore the fact that this is a My Little Pony product. ;-)

-Jon

Duplex circa conversation

Any guesses as to how long it will be before we see a Duplex Circa notebook show up somewhere? DIY or otherwise

How about 5 years ago! .... http://www.diyplanner.com/node/4484

These two threads started sorta together

This thread is almost 5 years old.
Started May 2007
The other one started in July.

Don't you just love rediscovering new/old ideas ?

I do.

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I just recently saw this idea

Someone online was selling something similar to these duplex notebooks as sketchbooks. The book had rings on either side, with two covers. Filled with drawing paper and there was some strategically placed velcro applied to hold supplies. Don't recall where.

why duplex?

I'm just curious what the advantage of having two sets of rings is? I'm not even sure how that would work.

-Kenny

Googling...

I turned up this link. I couldn't visualize it either. But now that I see it, interesting.
Filofax Collection
Duplex Filofax

Jason
-- Coffee and Books, the pleasures of life
-- http://javajeb.wordpress.com

3-ring duplex

I got a very large duplex 3-ring binder at the school-has-already-started sales last year. Each side is a separate section which closes with Velcro. The theory was that I was going to keep the hardcopy of the draft of my novel on one side, and notes, character sheets, outlines, etc. in the other. The reality is that I've got pieces of my novel everywhere (I love to come up with ideas to organize stuff, but never actually seem to do it). As far as uses in planning -- right now I'm using two notebooks for my main system. One for tasks and one for calendar and idea capture, so I could combine their functions with a two ring system.

Lisa PT

Pictures

Tried this before, but it didn't show up. So, here it is again.

Googled because it sounded interesting, but couldn't picture it.

Links:
Actual duplex: http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~m-task/duplex.htm
Filofaxes in general: http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~m-task/

Jason
-- Coffee and Books, the pleasures of life
-- http://javajeb.wordpress.com

That duplex could have some

That duplex could have some very interesting uses..... hmmmm...

Oh, man...

I would LOVE to find something like that. I can think of about 20 ways right off the top of my head that I could take advantage of that.

I love this one: a Personal

I love this one: a Personal Disorganiser

Tried FiloFAX?

Have you tried contacting FiloFAX about this duplex binder? A couple of months ago I was after something that is no longer in their catalogue, indeed it's been out of stock for a couple of years. While they didn't have exactly what I wanted they did have something almost identical still hanging around in the warehouse; difference was entirely in the colour. Use the contact details on their web site, You might be surprised by what they have laying around; I know I was.

eBay Alert: Filofax Ultra Rare Vintage Duplex Calf Leather

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320876978...

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Checked the listing out of curiosity:

Three bids, went for just under $200 U.S.

So.... did 'one of us' get it?

Was not me

I'm addicted to disc binding
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Duplex Filofax on eBay - and it ain't cheap !

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-DUPLEX-Filofax-DHLF1-2-RARE-...?

But it looks nice.

Also, found a nice set of pix on Flickr for anyone who might be interested:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30775101@N04/4526562664/in/set-...

One picture in the set was of particular interest:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30775101@N04/4525936557/in/set-...

The captioning talks about how the pages overlap when closed even if they do not when open. Excellent design information ! I may be doing some tinkering !

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Duplex Filofax pricing

Methinks that ye olde Filofax hast been overpriced. Not one bidde from yon eBayers hast been made.

Serviously, 1980s is not 'classic' but the biggest thing I see stopping this being sold (aside price and it being olde tech) is that the pages have been used and some people may believe there's no where to get planner pages.

Slimline !

In conversing with the seller, I asked about page size.
The response was "same size as Personal" which is the same as currently available Slimline refills, so there are currently available refills.

However, I am more interested in the Flickr pix I found this time. They give me a few new ideas to try.

Stay tuned. You know I always share :)
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Page size and a new perspective

Personal / Slimline page size is 95mm x 171mm or 3.74 inches by 6.73 inches to us Yanks :)

That says that the double-page central section would be only 190 by 171 mm (7.48 by 6.73 inches) and the whole spread would only be 380 by 171 mm (14.86 by 6.73 inches) plus the spaces between pages due to the binding.

This could be interesting :)

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