difference between circ, rolla, levenger and atoma?

Is there anywhere that explains what the difference between these systems are? I know some do hole punches. Who do people choose one over the other? I am in the UK so I cannot see them IRL and have to decide by web pages.

thanks
amber

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UK perspective

Rollabind and Levenger are identical ... except in one respect post and packing. Unless you're prepared to take out a second mortgage you should forget Levenger because of their P&P. And that means forget Circa as it's Levenger name for the disc-based system.

Leave you with two options: Rollabind and Atoma. Atoma paper and covers can be picked up in a number of places here in the UK. WHSmith has a variety of project or work books that appear to use the Atoma discs. However, not every branch carries stock. My local one alternates between none at all and a few depending upon the current Hallmark holiday.

You could also try your local Rymans. They carry Atoma stuff too.

Both WHSmith and Rymans include disc-bound stuff on their websites. But in the case of WHSmith you will have to look hard for it.

I've not seen an Atoma punch. One of the UK distributors was selling one a couple of years ago. Very expensive even before you add P&P to it.

I picked up a cheap Rollabind punch via a Polish eBay. (Thanks to jonglass.) Even with paying Jon for post and packing it remained cheaper than having one shipped over from the US. There is a difference between the one I have and those bought in the US; here the punches have 12 dies, the US ones only have 11. I can punch A4 paper with a balance number of holes. US punches deal with US Letter size paper; you'd have a problem with the asthetics of A4 paper with one of those. Worth keeping you eyes open here for other people selling punches.

Punches -- 11 vs 12 smurfs

I have a Rollabind brand desk punch with 12 dies to it. The popular suspicion is that it was intended for the scrapbooking crowd which uses 12 inch square paper as opposed to the letter size planner crowd. All the Levenger desk punches seen to date have 11 dies. (Note to self: Count the dies on Smurfzilla)
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I have got one of the WH

I have got one of the WH Smiths pads. And also the adoc ones from Rymans. (posted about a page I found that sells plain, squared and other papers and other sizes in the UK)

Someone posted a link to a place that sells atoma and they also had a hole punch at £89 I think it was.

So besides price and that some have 11 holes and some 12 can the rings and paper be swapped about or are the holes different?

thanks again
amber

Comparison pictures

Someone (I think ygor but I could be wrong) posted a link to some flickr entries with a comparison of the two style of holes. Subscribers here who have tried intermingling the two have reported success; similar to mixing Levenger's Circa smurfs with Rollabin's original.

The original link was posted

The original link was posted by altcountryman:
DIY-P Link

The picture Owner is "Government Cheese"
Flickr Link

Google and the site Search feature are my friends :)
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Thanks for both of your

Thanks for both of your replies. I will take a look at those posts and pictures.
Thanks
Amber

almost compatible

I also live in the UK and have the same Rollabind punch courtesy of jonglass (thanks again, Jon, still loving it) and have limited experience with Atoma and the WHSmith note book. The Atoma discs are thicker and the rim is also wider, though thinner than Rollabind. Paper punched with the Rollabind punch scrapes along the Atoma discs as the gap and width of the smurf has no tolerance. To overcome that I punch the paper twice when using Atoma discs, by moving the paper along just a tiny amount for the second punching, which is enough to make the paper move freely, though is a bit of a hassle. I guess one could grind down the discs, but that would be even more hassle. If you get the Atoma punch, then you are OK, though I don't know if the Rollabind discs would be too thick because of the domed smurf. I don't have any Atoma paper to try with Rolla discs.

The WHSmith disc notebook does not use Atoma discs, as the discs are much thinner, and work very smoothly with Rolla punched paper, even better than the Rolla discs. Expensive way to get discs though, and the notebook paper is not that brilliant. Either WHSmith make their own, or possibly use Adoc discs which I have not yet tried. Snopake also make a disc bound "Reorganiser" with clear pockets, but the discs look rough and flimsy.

A limited choice of Atoma stuff can be bought in the UK at Manufactum where the punch is £85 (11 dies, despite A4 paper use), and they also sell some aluminium discs. Manufactum is a German company, and I suspect that the goods are actually coming from Germany direct.

You really have to love the

You really have to love the system to pay the prices some charge for the punches. Lucky that you can print on pre-punched paper.

quite, but....

Yes, the punches can be expensive, but the Rollabind punches, and the Myndology ones I've seen are built like tanks, and will last you a lifetime, and that's an awful lot of paper! They more than pay for themselves, esp. if you buy prepunched paper by not buying the punch.

-Jon

Gotta remember that

To overcome that I punch the paper twice when using Atoma discs, by moving the paper along just a tiny amount for the second punching, which is enough to make the paper move freely, though is a bit of a hassle.

I gotta remember that, in case I ever come across some Atoma discs. I was in Vienna last week, and looked for some, but didn't find any. :-(

(and _no_ I wasn't there for Euro2008--it was a major hassle and spoiler to our plans--the main parks were all closed, and sections were walled off for the fans.... bleh)

-Jon