Rock Paper

Literally, a notebook filled with paper made from rocks. I found in at Wallgreens, but I've not been able to find it on the web. It is called a "Stone Paper Note Book" from Oxford.

The paper is pretty nice and worked well with all the pens I tried. The Sharpies had some see-through, but no bleed-through. Pencils, however, didn't get along well with the paper, they skipped.

Anyway, just wanted to pass my new find along. I wonder if I can recycle rock paper.

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Probably made from petrified

Probably made from petrified wood ;-)

Bob H.

I found it online

I found it online, it claims to be water proof. I am very interested, especially if it is inexpensive. Planners that I carry outside in the rain, and important documents, would be nice if those could indeed be water proof.

But quick reading suggests that it is intended to be kind of disposable, suggesting to my mind somehow that the paper is not intended for high quality purposes, but I could be wrong.

Link, please

Google is not as friendly as one might wish on this search.
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I did not include the link

I did not include the link before for fear of the filter, lets see if it passes: http://pureall.en.ec21.com/

I entered the text from the post ("Stone paper Notebook"), came right up on google, at least for me.

Yes, but...

If you include "Oxford", which I did, you get bupkis
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Here's a better link

Googizing "stone paper" turns up this site: http://www.naturalsourceprinting.com/fiberstone.html This looks like it's made of calcium carbonate and HDPE, aka, plastic (binding the stone together.)

Archive-interested people should note:

FiberStone® stone paper is photodegradable after a period of about 14-18 months!

Neat idea, but I like bagasse (sugarcane) paper as my green choice at the moment.

Is it shredder safe?

I'm afraid I might forget and throw a page into my shredder and get the whole thing gummed up.

From the Pure All website

Stone paper characteristic:

1. Waterproof

2. Wearproof

3. Can preserve permanently

4. No cutting trees, no air pollution, no water pollution

5. Environmentally friendly

It can freshen your breath and improve your sex life, too !

A lot of claims without any details to back it up.
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The Oxford Brand

According to the info on my Oxford Stone Paper notebook says it is made of Limestone and Polyproplene. It is very strange and difficult to rip -- its stretchy. It doesn't say anything about being waterproof, but it sure is (some of the inks I tested on it aren't). It isn't fire proof, although it did burn slower than regular paper.

I really don't think I can put it in the paper recycling, but could I put it in with the plastics?

Stone Paper notebook

I wonder if Walgreen's is the only place that sells these notesbooks. I bought mine at Walgreen's too. I love writing on it. I have looked for more on the net and also for bigger ones as this one is pretty small. I just looked tonight and they don't have them anymore. But I'll be watching here to see if anyone has any ideas.

Rock Paper

Scissors?

Lizard and Spock !

Link
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Hihihi.

Hihihi.

WHERE DO I FIND THESE NOTEBOOKS???

I was given one of these Oxford Earth Care Stone Paper Notebooks at a seminar & it's the best surface I've ever written on!! I am so spoiled now - I refuse to write on anything else! Problem is - I can't find them ANYWHERE!! I've searched the net, I've called every Walgreens in my area... to no avail. Can anyone please tell me where on earth to find these notebooks??? Thanks so much!!

Where to find the stone notebooks

YOu dont want to just call becuase trust me they will not have a clue what your talking about... I had to actually take it in and show them at walgreens.. They swore they didnt sell them but i already ordered the from them before so i know they did... I asked for the manager and she took the book in the back and made a call and next thing ya know now i get orders all the time//

You may have already found

You may have already found this, but I got a stone paper notebook from Target by a company named Gartner. This paper is amazing!

Tired of thrashing about

I sent an e-mail to Oxford / Pendaflex / Esselite (all one big corporate octopus) asking about these rock paper notebooks. I will let you know what response I get.
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BUPKIS !

Thank you for your interest in our products. This item is not something we stock although it is something we offer to Walgreens. It is shipped directly from China to Walgreens. Our only suggestion is to check with other Walgreens locations.

Esselte Corporation
Customer Service Department

Apparently they do not consider it a main-stream product :(
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I called Esselte & was told

I called Esselte & was told they no longer have anything to do with these notebooks - that they come from China (what doesn't these days??) & that they're only available at a few WALMARTS - What?? I guess she meant Walgreens...? The last Walgreens I called said they only sell their own (Walgreens) brand of notebook paper - ha! How ridiculous this has all become... Anyhoo - thanks so much for your help anyway!

Stone paper is NOT recyclable

I tried to work with that stock for wholesale printing in the past. Agreed, there are very little details even from the manufacturer about content, but they specifically said it is not recyclable (plastic content mentioned above). And FYI, most paper of print quality is clay coated. AKA, rock soup. So this isnt that special --or green, as they proposed to me initially. I have no idea how anyone , after receiving something made from this stock, would know NOT to throw it in their recycle bin, so it concerns me from that point of view.

According to the information

According to the information I got with my notebook...it is biodegradable...so apparently just throw it in your compost pile.

And which notebook did you

And which notebook did you buy? This seems pretty far fetched (very little plastic is biodegradable in any useful sense, and most of these stone papers appear to be essentially rock dust and plastic.)... but, you don't mention a manufacturer, a store, or anything to give us additional information.

Stone Paper

Wow. I totally love this paper.. I have such an addiction to it.. It writes so smoothe.. I also found it at walgreens.. I cant locate them any place else... I go in and order 10 at a time..The manager puts the order in and they call me when there in. it only takes like a week.. THats the only way i have been able to get them-- if anyone finds some plafe online please ppost it i would love a day planner with the stone paper!!!!!!!

Which Walgreen's ? Where ?

Please ?
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GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND??!

Oh Ygor,

I cannot believe I am saying this to you of all people, but will any of these work?

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu.2rSghLBi0ARu9XNyoA...

Okay, so it's Yahoo search instead of Google, but same principle. (I sure hope this makes it through the spam filter.)

MAL

No, it does not work

Are any of those links to local retailers ?

I believe not.
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Does it really matter?

I'd as soon order something and have it delivered as have to spend the time, stand in line, lug it around...

Personally I prefer to see

Personally I prefer to see what I am buying first, that's why a local store that carries it is helpful. Then I order online at cheaper price. :-)

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I want to try it out first

If I can find it locally, I can buy one pack and try it out, then go for a bulk order. If I do not like it, I am only down by the cost of one. Is there anyone out there who can buy this stuff locally who would be willing to help out ? The only person currently making such a claim is an anonymous, non-registered poster. Very possibly a tease and a troll.
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It is a legitimate product

This is a legitimate product which I have purchased at Walgreens.

Oxford "Earth Care" Stone Paper Note Book

Item # 498923
UPC # 078787-15958-7

(C) 2009 Esselte Corporation, 850 West Park road, Union, MO 63084
MADE IN CHINA

No arguement, but...

It is not available in every Walgreens.
At least not in the ones I looked in.

The UPC you gave is not in the UPC database I found: Link
Does the barcode on the notebook match one of the barcodes at that link ?

Anyone got a picture ? It would help to have a visual clue to help.
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I bought these notebooks at

I bought these notebooks at Walgreen's too. I just bought them out, and haven't been able to find them anywhere else! They're great!

stone paper notebooks

I found mine at Target yesterday--composition book= 8 1/2 x 11

at Target

I found more rock paper at target. Two sizes of notebooks from a manufacturer other than the Walgreens one. I didn't write down the name because I thought I'd remember. After 46 years of barely remembering my own name, I should remember I don't remember anything and need to write things down -- hence why I'm always DIYing planners.

Target in Ann Arbor, MI had a section of eco-friendly notebooks. The rock-paper was in with the paper-paper and the banana-leaf-paper notebooks.

i saw all these yesterday at

i saw all these yesterday at our target. they didnt have anything like the assortment in the neighboring town's target.

I snatched up a banana paper notebook and a 70% recycled journal.

The banana paper is labeled as Gartner Studios.
The 70% recycled journal is Ecotique by Skyhigh.

Matt grabbed somem 4x6 journals (like moleskine cahiers) by Skyhigh.

I had the stone paper in my hand. the composition sized notebook was quite heavy and flexible. in retrospect i wish i had bought one of those too lol. The smaller notebooks were an odd size - i think around 5 inches and almost square? i also have a bad memory lol. and i cant recall the name either! ><

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stone paper

i bought one tonight at target:

Stone Papers

Stone Paper Composition Book
100 pages 7.5" x 9.75"

Made from Stone
tree free, acid free, natural paper products from all natural stone

Gartner Studios
Navy Floral compbook 100 pages
roobee by mara-mi
designed in the USA
made in Taiwan

But when I tried to look up Gartner Studios it directed me to the roobee site which goes to the mara-mi site which is currently under construction.....i was really hoping to find them online.

Is this it?

I wonder what is it good for

A search for my local zip code on the Walgreens web site reveals that the product is supposedly in stock near me. At 3 bucks, it might be worth a try, but I am a bit unsure what for, aside from a clean environmental conscience.

It is said to be water proof and wear proof, does that mean it is reusable if the ink is washable? If so, would that make it the last notebook you'll ever need, at least for scrap notes? I suppose I could try to create a water proof Circa notebook with it (Junior and Hipster), but if the stretchy material resists the punch, it might be impractical. Also, I wonder if it would resist the heat of a laser printer well enough? I could certainly see the use of creating permanent reference material, even a wall poster you can write on without lamination, etc.

A search for Fiberstone produces some interesting hits: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Fibe...

Dang you !

I had to go out and get one, considering the link told me they were available in my local stores.

So I got one.
And on the way to the register, I pass the clearance Easter Candy.
19¢ for Cadbury Eggs !
87¢ for 12 oz bags of M&M's !

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !
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Rock paper: first impressions

The notebook is a bit heavier than its size would suggest, and the black lines have good definition, unlike the usual faded blue lines.

At $3.31 plus tax for a notebook a tad smaller than Junior standard (5x8 instead of 5.5 by 8.5), and what it appears to be about 200 pages maybe (doesn't say either), it seems a bit more expensive than usual. Whether it is better, you really need to try it out yourself, but it does not feel cheap.

The paper, once detached from the notebook, has a really weird feeling, like wet paper with strength; if you enjoy the feeling of real paper between your fingers, I think rock paper may disappoint.
The paper has no absorption whatsoever. I confirmed this with all my fountain pens. It took significantly longer than usual for the ink to dry, and my right pinky would sometimes smear freshly written lines.

Writing on it feels very smooth, but it seems best designed for regular ball point pens, as the ink of those dries instantly, and it has the smoothest feeling with those. With my fountain pens, it would start out super smooth, then after a while would begin to have some traction, not unpleasantly so, but this did not happen with a ball point pen. YMMV.

I washed the paper, something I do to text fountain pen inks, and the washable inks washed off faster than usual, almost instantly. The ball point ink and the noodlers black ink remained, of course. And by the way, the paper was indeed completely unaffected by the water, so in theory, the paper is reusuable, if you really wanted to do that.

Tearing the paper feels a bit weird. The perforation allows for a very clean, quick tear, unlike with regular paper, but removing the remains from the wire felt like removing soft plastic.

I think rock paper will be an acquired taste for most people. I was at first excited thinking that the notebook was junior size (never seen one before that was), thus compatible with my circa notebook, but it is a bit smaller, so I am less excited about that. Since it is not blank paper, and the line spacing is very wide, it probably is not usable for my hipster, another disappointment.

I may try printing to it with my laser, just for kicks. But I have no real interest in a permanent paper I cannot print to (not blank and the wrong size).
I think I read in the Fiberstone site that printing to rock paper is tricky business, requiring special inkjet printers. If this is true, that would be another negative, at least for me.

Finally, the notebook has a hexagon on a weird spot in every page, that may turn off some people.

If you want a notepad that survives unscathed after being dunked in water, then this might be for you.
A small, shirt pocket notepad made with rock paper could come very handy for many situation in which I would normally never carry anything I did not want to get wet, but 5x8 is the only size I have seen so far.

Greenwash IMO

I find myself agreeing with one of the comments from Fountain Pen network:

It's greenwash. If you like the paper for its working properties, go for it. But don't buy into the environmental claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwash

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I agree, more plastic for

I agree, more plastic for the landfills. It is not clear to me that it would save any trees, from what they said at FPM.

Stone Paper

I just bought a notebook of stone paper from Target. I didn't know about it until I saw it there and bought it. It's great. Rollerball pens tend to bleed a little, but ball points work great. I love the feel of the paper itself. I did some research. It is 100% biodegradeable and recycleable.

Unfortunately, I threw away the wrapper that came on the book, and there's no markings on the book itself, so I can't give you a brand name.

I'm somewhat skeptical about

I'm somewhat skeptical about recyclable and biodegradable. I'm fairly certain it can't be recycled with other paper (it doesn't contain pulp), and, unless it's made from a fairly unusual plastic, it isn't biodegradable. If you find the stuff again, please give us some more details...

Stone Paper

I bought mine at Target as well and I love it. I would love to find 3 ring binder paper made from this same material.

stonepaper target

not sure if anymore are reading this but here it goes:

i bought two stone paper notebooks from target today. smells like a stone, feels so smooth, and they are from the Gartner Studios. There's also banana leaf one too but that was all sold out before i got there...

i bought these because not only trying something different but to add to my collection. I collect pens and notebooks. Why, I don't know but I have to have them. I have some many of them now, notebooks and pens, think if I add the price to each of them, they might be worth 500? I do write in them so yea they are being used and not sitting around collecting dust and hanging out with the dust bunnies.

This notebook is VERY INTERESTING. -runs off-

You're right!!

It DOES smell like stone! neat!

Rock Paper Scissors

Wonder if they'll make the obvious accessory? :-)

...and again...

http://www.diyplanner.com/node/6736#comment-535578
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Smooth writing experiance, healthier for the earth...?

I just purchased this product from my local Walgreen's for $3.29 + tax.

What I like:
Smooth writing experiance
Will tear but not as easy as regular paper
Thicker than typical paper
Bolder, Darker lines
works great with ballpoint pens, gel pens

Not so great:
wrinkles quickly
sheets sometimes stick together
thicker sheets give the impression of more paper but not so

Now they claim that this paper is a green product, more earth friendly and hits many key point of how rock paper vs tree made paper but I do feel this is just an attempt to appeal to the current go green movement. Maybe I'm wrong but this paper feels similar to that of a balloon and I really don't see this being recycled or compost friendly. Not to mention the darn cover is plastic, hmmmmm seems funny a green product would be only partially green.

Also...

I am also noticing that the paper behind seems to get the imprint of what was written before sometimes on multiple pages.

Although I will say that the paper allows your hand to glide across the page almost effortlessly which is really a winner in my book since I suffer from carpal tunnel.

use with Levenger punch?

I just checked online and my local Walgreens has these notebooks in stock. I'm curious to try one, but I'm wondering... Since it is made partly of mineral, would it dull my Levenger punch? Hm...

stone paper

I saw this at an evironmental exhibit, it is made of stone (Calcium Carbonate)80% and a non-toxic resin 20%. Saves trees and energy in its production: it is soft like talc, very hard to tear and a smooth write with ink and markers. We need more of this type of product.

but the whole waterproof thing

lets see...
it's smooth and waterproof.
So ink doesnt dry fast enough for most of us, and since ballpoint pens don't wash off, the pages can't be reusable.

But... here's a though:
Dry Erase Board notebook!
Please, can someone try it with dry erase markers, or maybe overhead transparency markers? If it's really waterproof (and smooth like you guys said), then at least one of those should work! Wouldn't that be something.

Nope, sticks like glue

Just tried for kicks, first tried to erase with a dry tissue, then with a wet tissue, no go. Wiped the wet stone paper on my t-shirt, not a drop of ink came off.

For what is worth, in the past I found that my plastic calendar did not completely wipe clean always, especially if I left the ink on too long. Dry erase ink only works as intended consistently on a dry erase surface, in my experience.

what about overhead

what about overhead transparent markers? They go on anywhere, and wipe off wet.

Oxford Stone Paper

I can hardly think of a more energy-intensive way to make paper than to pulverize limestone and mix it with manufactured polypropylene resin. What do you people think they do -- put chalk dust from Chinese schools into naturally-occurring polypropylene pits ?

I'll take that Staples bagasse over this stuff, any day. Go to the FOUNTAIN PEN NETWORK and register (free), and then search more for this paper, to find out how it REALLY interacts with various inks and writing implements !

I doubted its

I doubted its "environment-friendly" qualities from the start, but I have to say that I bought a pad at Walgreen's and immediately fell in love.

My daughter is diabetic. She has to keep a log for what she eats and how much meds she takes. Regular notebooks don't hold up well to the abuse of an 8 year old girl.

The rock paper has more durable qualities and considering ballpoint pen ink doesn't wash off, it holds well if she spills something on it.

My only problem with the notebook was the size. It doesn't fit into her diabetes bag at 5x8, so I had it cut down to fit. If they have smaller notebooks at Target, I'm going to be in heaven!

They have stone paper

They have stone paper composition books at target also, I have about 5 of them and can't write now on anything else.

Oxford Earth Care Stone Notebook

I'm sure someone else thought of this BUT I just checked online @ Walgreens and you can order these notebooks online. Might help folks who are having trouble locating them in their local Walgreens.

Minxy

Here's a link

Link
And the page has a link to check local stores for stock!
Thanks for telling us about that, Minxy.
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You're welcome!

It appears one of the Walgreens near me might actually have these - not that I need another notebook but in the interest of research I think I should get one and use it for a week or two. :c )

Nice! Looks like my

Nice! Looks like my Walgreens has them too. May make a stop this afternoon. I've been really curious about these since this thread was first posted. Thanks for the info!

Now that I've been using it

I've decided I like my little rock paper notebook for note-taking only. Anything longer than a few pages needs to remain on regular paper.

Why?

I guess because the rock paper produces more friction when you write on it, I've noticed that my hand gets super tired super quick. But I love how smooth it is and it'll work well stapled into organizational manuscripts and the size is perfect for brainstorming notes.

Stone Paper Notebook

I was in Walgreens this morning and purchased 2 of the Stone Paper Notebooks by Oxford. I love them. The smoothness of the paper is great. Unfortunately, there is only one size available at Walgreens. I prefer an 8"x11" notebook but these will fit in my bag just fine.

I haven't really seen rock

I haven't really seen rock paper before. May you can keep it instead of recycling it.