NEW @ Office Depot/DayRunner

I was at Office Depot today and found a new system from DayRunner called LifeTracker. It looks identical to X17 (and says X17 on the Label) http://www.myx17.com/fr/x17/index1.html and I thought there was another company that made something similar that we have looked into before, but now I cannot find it...

Check it out. I bought the 5X8 planner (16.99) and a refill (6.99). Planner came with a Ruled notebook, a Plain notebook & a Graph notebook. I did not see it on the Office Depot web site... So, here is the link to dayrunner.

http://www.dayrunner.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category4...

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Were you thinking of this thread ... ?

http://www.diyplanner.com/node/6552

Dang you, Nay Nay. Now I have to go to Office Depot :(
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sorry... :(

I know, now we ALL have to run to OD and check it out! I will probably have to go back and buy the other size planner too!! That is how it goes with us CRAZY people!! ha ha

The thread you found is one of them... There is another one that uses the rubber band type holders that this OD product uses... And, of course, I have one of them at home. So, if I can find it tonight, I will post about that one too. I know I had to jump through some hoops to get the planner from the other company, so I would definitely recommend OD!!

Happy Shopping Ygor! :)

found it!

it is actually listed in the thread you linked to above and is called C.Over. Here is a link to the site. http://www.thejournalshop.com/acatalog/C.OVER.html

The thing I do not like about C.Over is that the rubberbands are attached to a plastic spine. The spine in my book broke, so the whole planner is broke.

I think if you really had to, you could just use regular rubber bands in the OD ones...

I hear you

I have a C.OVER book with a snapped elastic. I tried contacting them about replacements, but I was not persistant enough.
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I ordered a C.OVER notebook

I ordered a C.OVER notebook and had it sent to my cousin in London who will bring it back to me when he comes home for Chinese New Year next month.

I'm very excited by the idea of 3 separate notebooks within one cover.

However, I only read the reviews after I ordered the notebook. Apparently, the design is flawed. But the reviews are quite old and I'm hoping the flaws have been rectified.

ygor - I would like to hear your personal views on the quality of the notebook, since you have one.

As for the snapped plastic, I found a site that sells them separately, a set of 3 for £1.50 (yes, it's an English site), but the site requires minimum orders of £5.00.

Three comments

  1. Order extra elastics. You will need them.
  2. the pages are non-standard size, so if you DIY refills, you will have a lot of cutting to do.
  3. The Journal Shop used to list the C.OVER product under both journals/Notebooks and Diaries/Organisers/Planners, but I only see the Journals/Notebooks now. That means you cannot get the pre-printed fillers with calendars and such.

You might want to consider the X17 line of products (link is in this thread)

Also, I think I can create my own variation of X17, mainly so that I can use standard paper sizes. Still experimenting.
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Thanks. I don't see any way

Thanks.

I don't see any way of ordering extra elastics. The Journal Shop doesn't carry them and the other site has a minimum order requirement. In any case, having them sent to Malaysia will probably cost more than the elastics themselves.

I thought the C.OVER can take Moleskine Cahiers as refills?

The "Other" site ? Is it ...

http://www.retro51.co.uk

I see replacement elastics here:
http://www.retro51.co.uk/index.php?cPath=142_149
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Yes, that's the other

Yes, that's the other site.

I put in an order for two sets of spare elastics, one cover elastic and one set of ruled refills, to make up the required minimum £5 order, put in my cousin's address in London, clicked "Confirm Order" and received a message about someething wrong with the merchant site, etc. I sent the message to retro51 for them to help me sort it out.

For an idea of the difference in shipping - it costs £1.50 to send to my cousin's address in London, and more than £6.00 to my address in Malaysia.

Analyze ! Analyze ! Analyze !

There are two sizes of these things, according to the DayPlanner pages

There is a 4-7/8 by 8 inch model that comes with three "modules" with room for a fourth, and a 3-3/8 by 5-3/4 inch model that comes with two modules and room for one more.

Dang non-standard page sizes !! ( rant rant rant rant )

OK. I want to see if the elastic bands can be purchased separately. Then we set the replicators to "DIY" and go to maximum warp...

[mental image for all y'all] a big dog with his favorite chew toy shaking it back and forth for all he is worth...
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"I think the surest sign that there is intelligent life out there in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (Calvin and Hobbes/Bill Waterson)

I suppose...

... I should be glad® I'm not in the States right now.... no temptation to try these. ;-)

-Jon

Tempt - tempt - tempt

http://www.myx17.com/

It originated on your side of the globe, dude.
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Got one ! And the brain cells are percolating !

After looking over the threads talking about this kind of notebook, and especially noting a comment by shris, I think I have found a source for the bands used. Would you believe they only cost $0.25 each ? Would you believe that, in quantities of as little as 300 they only cost $0.14 each ?

>:D

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-haaaaa !

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source?

So, you did buy a planner? What size? What do you think of it?

What is your source for the bands? I think 300 could last a lifetime!!! :)

Initial Observations

I bought the larger size with a green poly cover.

My first reaction is that the sizes are so not standard by anyone's system. The X17 site says the sizes are A5, A6, A7 -- but on closer examination with BabelFish, I find that the sizes are APPROXIMATELY A5/6/7

The modules in this one (plain paper, ruled paper, grid paper) are each made up of 16 folios and a cover. For those folks who did not keep up with Innowen's bookbinding posts, that means there are 32 usable pages in each module. The paper appears to be standard, thin, cheap 20# text stock as opposed to the heavier stuff used in the disc bound books.

The comment by Shris I noted abouve says:

Flipping through the x17 website ... I can see the benefits more than I did before. Not having the big rings/discs in the middle of the book would be a plus, especially for utilizing that awkward area near the rings on the 'wrong' side.. OTOH, would it lay very flat with all the other books and the rubber band in the way? Dunno. Maybe if you print it yourself and don't fold until you've got the rubber band in the middle. Maybe if the paper is thin?

I can answer these questions. It does not lay perfectly flat, but I'd say as flat as any book of similar thickness -- like a Moleskine. I would not try for more than the four modules this unit is designed to handle as that would make it too thick to be comfortable.

I see big DIY possibilities -- especially if I can find a source for these elastic bands. It is not as infinitely flexible as the disc bound stuff, but you could make thinner modules (16 or 24 pages) and easily swap them out as necessary.
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If I am not mistaken, I have

If I am not mistaken, I have seen these in the past at Target, and yes, the odd size paper was one reason I had only a passing curiousity (plus my investment in Rollabind).

About the disc comment, here is my view: while in theory disc bound systems are infinitely flexible, I agree with another thread which suggests that past a certain thickness (say about 30 cardstock sheets), a disc bound notebook starts getting unwieldy (because of the circular shape of the discs). Traditional 3 ring binders get around that problem with the D ring, but I doubt Levenger?Rollabind will create D shaped discs any time soon.

"I have seen these in the past at Target"

Recent past, like a few days ago, or more like last spring or last year ?
I think these "X17" products are new to the US.
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A few months ago. It could

A few months ago. It could also have been something that looked very similar though, but the style, color and the elastic bands definitely look familiar. But I have not seen a good clear picture of the insides on the links above, so I am not 100% sure.

I think I have found the elastic bands !

They are called "o-rings". They are used as gaskets and seals. It was the failure of an O-ring seal that caused the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster on January 28, 1986. They are basically round cross sectioned rubber bands.

The trick is finding the proper size.

I'm working on it.
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Roterfaden

I really am enjoying this thread and immediately thought of Roterfaden which make cool looking covers with metal slats for slipping in your notebooks. Then I realised the whole thing had come full circle and it was diyplanner that had first mentioned this product anyway! I should have known.

These would be much more fun done diy wouldn't they where you could fit your own notebooks together.

Cant wait to see what Ygor comes up with in terms of size advice...

And I have some spare elastics for C.over (not many) but send me a message if you would like a couple

http://bearsbar.blogspot.com/

Roterfaden is cool, but...

...costs way too much for me to consider.
49 euros for an A6 size unit ? 69 euros for a leather cover A6 !!

A5 for 59 / 79 euros !

And we thought Levengers was pricey !
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"I think the surest sign that there is intelligent life out there in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (Calvin and Hobbes/Bill Waterson)

Drat those Europeans

and their strong euro.....

http://bearsbar.blogspot.com/

Besides...

If I can find the right bands, then a similar notebook can be made in ANY size you want.
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We're counting on you....

I know you'll research European sizes too ;-)

http://bearsbar.blogspot.com/

O-Ring Failure

Technically it was not the O-ring that failed on the Challenger solid propellant rocket. There was separation between two sections of the rocket caused by water freezing within the space. And as we all know, water expands when it freezes. This caused the separation of the two sections, thereby, breaking the seal. Engineering notified management of this problem and recommended a design change, but management rejected it. They put a mitigation in place to monitor the rocket skin temperature and scrub the mission should it reach freezing temperatures. They then ignored the rocket reaching freezing temperatures on the day of the launch and launched any way. The rest is history. So technically, the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster was caused by the failure of American Management to allow Engineering to do their jobs. This has been the case for every single NASA disaster in which lives were lost.

I disagree

http://www.google.com/search?q=challenger+o-ring
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question to ygor

Ygor, since you bought one of the notebooks, would you mind telling me if a) it's several rubber bands, one for each booklet; or b)one long rubber string that winds around and around, eventually circling the front and tying the book closed? I was looking at these and fought off the urge to buy because I thought it was one long string. Several that people had obviously been looking at were tangled, and the spine rubber bands seemed loose as if part of the snarl. Or didn't I look closely enough?

Here's the story...

One band for each section.
The band that hold the book closed is looped around one of the other bands.
Quite obvious if you get one in your hands.
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"I think the surest sign that there is intelligent life out there in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (Calvin and Hobbes/Bill Waterson)

Thanks! and...

for the bands, how about rubber cording such as that used in beading?
It comes in different colors, sizes (up to at least 4mm) and is easy to get. But..not all rubber cording is stretchy so you have to shop carefully. As evidently I should have :)

Please be patient

I believe I have found the "right stuff", but I am getting the fine details.
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Daytimer, too

Daytimer also has a version of these now. Their site is not really easy to navigate, but I used the 'browse the catalog' option and saw them in there as I was flipping through the pages.

DayTimer iChange

November 2009 catalog pp 24-25
This looks like a more expensive variant.
$40 gets you a 4 by 5.75 inch book with 4 "bungees"
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I saw these today

and I hadn't been paying attention to this thread about them, but now that I've seen them, the idea is really cool. Would be a great small "whatever" notebook (for thoughts and ideas or stuff you want to look up, etc.). I did think it'd be easy to diy too.

ygor, you're the best for researching the bands. :^) This looks like it could be funtime diy stuff for all.

It doesn't take special bands...

I've subscribed to Homemade Simple newsletter for a number of years and they've sent several free booklets you print out, fold in the prescribed manner so the pages end up in the right order and secure with an ordinary rubber band. Seems to me a person could do this with any booklet the made.

Almost the size of a Moleskine Cahier

The larger size of the Life Tracker is *almost* the size of a medium-size Moleskine Cahier notebook, and the smaller size is perfect (IIRC) for the small Cahiers. So if you are looking for better paper inserts (the default ones really are crap), then Moleskine might have you covered.

Also, for those as anal-retentive as I: long-arm center staplers are relatively cheap.