"Extra fine" ball-point pen refills...

... do they still exist?

For the past few weeks I've been trying to find Parker "Extra Fine" blue ball-point pen refills, but they seem to have vanished from the face of the earth. I've seen one offer of black ones on eBay, but for the rest, zilch, nada, nothing.

Does anyone know a source (preferably in Belgium, the UK or Europe) that still sells these critters?

If the Parker ones are really extinct, Cross will also do, but likewise a search for Cross extra fine has also returned the same results.

Now using "Fine", but I really don't like it (at all!)

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Try...

http://www.montgomerypens.com

They had the best selection I could find, but no extra-fine listed. Maybe they can special order.

Have you tried places like

http://www.swisherpens.com

and

http://www.pendemonium.com

???
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I had already found all of

I had already found all of these a long(ish) time ago, with the 'zilch, etc' result. It really seems that XF refils are no longer produced, which makes me very, very sad.

I'll just cling to the hope that maybe someday I'll bump into a few more in some leftover stock...
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Robert AH Prins
robert.ah.prins @ the.2Gb.Google thingy

I think the Parker Extra

I think the Parker Extra Fine Ballpoint refills ceased manufacture in the early 1980's. No idea about Cross. Bob H.

Extra fine refills

There are pilot extra fine rollerball refills around. Are they the right size for your pen?

http://www.pilotpen.com.au/items.aspx?G=137&P=449

Update
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I found a generic refill. Although it's not ultra-fine or extra-fine, it's manufactured by a German company who may be the people to contact

Parker Refill by Diplomat - Ballpoint - Black Fine
Diplomat Parker Compatible ballpoint pen refill. Fits any pen that takes the standard Parker style refill. Made in Germany.
http://justwrite.com.au/justwrite8/index.php?main_page=index...

You may want to consider…

the Uni-ball Signo Bit UM-201 Gel Ink Pen - 0.18 mm
Comes in blue and other colors.
And you can write mega-teensy with it.

If that does not work for you, then we need more information.
Do you need to write tiny ?
Do you prefer ball-point pens ?
Do you just want to find refills so you can keep using your favorite old pen ?

Details, please, so we can help.
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Sometimes I need to write

Sometimes I need to write tiny, but 0.18 mm is a bit over the top. With the Parker XF I was able to write readable on 8.5x14.5 green-striped computer paper, between the thin green lines, with the F version that isn't really possible anymore. This type of writing is pretty rare though.

I've written with ball-point pens all my life, and the last 25 or so years with a stainless steel Parker Flighter, I just like this pen and the neat writing produced by the XF refills, nothing more, nothing less.

Not finding any XF's refills anymore isn't a very big deal, I was just hoping that someone here might know a source, but if not, so be it. :(

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Robert AH Prins
robert.ah.prins @ the.2Gb.Google thingy

My fave pen

Love the Uni-ball Signo bit pen. Got a sample of it a few years back. By the time the ink ran out, realized stores were not selling them anymore. Good for writing chinese characters with multiple strokes. It can be a problem writing them small and neat on book and be legible at the same time with regular fine ball point pens out there. Seems like this site is out of stock with these pens too.

Found some !

On eBay - link
Seller is lee4la
Auction title: Parker ball pen refill Black Extra Fine

The seller says they are made in the UK
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Also !

http://www.andys-pens.co.uk/monteverde.shtml

This guy lists Monteverde Needlepoint Refill for Parker Ballpoint Pens

(3rd item down on the page)
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AND !

found some of the Monteverde refills on eBay.co.uk !

Link

I went to http://www.ebay.co.uk and searched on "parker refill extra-fine"
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Hadn't looked on eBay for a

Hadn't looked on eBay for a while, but this seems very promising. Will give them a call tomorrow and see what they have to say!

Thanks!

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Robert AH Prins
robert.ah.prins @ the.2Gb.Google thingy

You can set up a recurring search on eBay

It will notify you when stuff is listed.
How do y'all think I scored all that great Circa stuff so cheap ?

>:D

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super fine pens

Micron makes an 005 (.20 mm) Pigma pen that is super fine. Not a ball point though. But darned handy if you need a super fine tip. I use it in my lab and for research notes in my Moleskine. Love the feel of that pen on Moleskine paper, very smooth. They have a variety of sizes so if the 005 is too fine you can move up a step. You can find them at www dot sakuraofamerica dot com/Pen-Archival.

Parker Xtra-fine and extra-extra fine (super fine)

My experience is that Parker changed the manufacturing process. It became incompatible with extra-fine. I special ordered a bunch of them, but I strongly advise against it. Only one of the ten refills that I ordered was usable. The others clogged and wrote so poorly that even after repeated applications of heat and solvents, they were still not practical. (They improved a little, but only the most stubborn people on the planet would continue to try to use them. I score 9 out of 10 for stubborn.)

This is why they are so rare. They aren't any good. So, you might find them by searching high and low, but you are better advised not to do it. I really loved them back in the 1980s, but not any more.

Uniball Signo RT UMN-138

A rep just gave ma a sample of the above to try out. Ball is .38 mm and the ink is more liquid than normal ballpoints. What scrawls I have done with it so far show quick drying, fine even line, consistent colour, no clogging. Pen looks a bit basic and feels scratchy on the paper though that I guess is part of being this fine. In my experience, the finest line I ever seen from a ballpoint. Bob H.

extra fine pen refill

Now that you have had time to use the pens, what is your option on them?

Long term review

My quick review above still stands though it does not seem as scratchie to write with now. I tend to think that is me adjusting rather then the pen though. I don't use it all the time, only when I need to keep my writing on the small but legible side such as writing up the payroll book. I guess that makes it used weekly.

No bleed through or feathering on average quality paper but you can see the image through the paper.

Colour and line remain consistent through the life of the pen so far. It is slightly more noisy to write with compared to a regular fine ballpoint but not significantly. Part of that is also paper related. Not sure how it would go if you had to do a large amount of writing in the one sitting as does not glide over the paper as a fountain pen would. Overall I am happy with it and will get another when this one runs out.

Bob H.

A Return

Since writing the above I have had a customer return a pen that seems to run dry. Looks like some kind of ink flow problem in that the ink cannot flow fast enough to keep up with normal writing speeds. If you go slow the ink flows but not to the same extent as the sample I have been using for much longer.

No idea as to the cause but will pass on to the rep.

Bob H.

Has anyone found the extra

Has anyone found the extra fine cross ball point pen refills?

Have you bothered to read the thread ?

All the links still work.
I just tried them.
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zebra techno line

this is a .4 and the finest pen I have ever written with.

I found it on jetpens dot com. I got it in black and red, but it comes in blue.

It will spoil you for other extra-fine points. :)

Just enter zebra techno line in the search box at the web site.